Michael, the clock starts now. When the doors finally open on day one of Racon au. What's going through your head? Once, once the doors are open, I got, I got no control anymore, so I just try not to think too much about it and, uh, and have fun with the whole thing. Nice. As an organizer, what's your favorite thing to overhear an attendee say? Oh, uh, it, it is just nice to have positive feedback.

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and they're excited by the community and the atmosphere and all of it. So it's just, it's just nice to hear that people are happy. Yep. Most underrated job of the whole conference crew. Uh, I think just getting the speakers on stage, especially first timers, uh, people don't think I, I think people don't understand just how much goes into giving a talk, but to be giving your first talk, especially at a recon, there's like a preconceived notion about the quality of

but to be giving your first talk, especially at a recon, there's like a preconceived notion about the quality of what, what that needs to be like. Just, just to get them on the stage. And I think the nerves, watching the nerves as they step on, but then watching the relief and the exhilaration and the happiness when it's, when it's all finished. I think that's, that's probably right up there. Yep. Awesome. Uh, what is something that never goes to plan, no matter how much you prepare for it?

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It, this something always goes slightly wrong and nothing bad, but I think check-in's the, the toughest thing for us to get right. Cool. Is there any part of the event that you always miss because you're too busy running around The talks? I, I never see the talks themselves. Like I, I know all about the talks, I know about the speakers, I know what's gonna be presented,

Like I, I know all about the talks, I know about the speakers, I know what's gonna be presented, but then actually seeing them, I, I think I miss maybe 90% of them. 'cause I'm like, going to check the next speaker, going to check that like, catering's under control, you know, all of this stuff that, that you just like running around the whole time. Um, I'm, I'm still only halfway through the talks from last year's La Con au.

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to make their jobs easier. Yes. Because you've gotta travel, you've gotta, you know, be there, you've gotta be overcome nerves. All of this kind of, you've gotta put the talk together. Like, I just want you to turn up and give you a talk. And I try and arrange as much as possible. Like, I do accommodation, we do, um, travel, we all of that stuff. We'll send a Uber to the airport for you. Um, I, I think it's my job as an organizer

We'll send a Uber to the airport for you. Um, I, I think it's my job as an organizer to make your job as a speaker easy. I don't think there's, I don't think it goes the other way. Um, but being proactive in communicating I think is always like, communication is always the, the top of any of this stuff. If someone in another part of the world wanted to start a racon style event, what's one piece of advice you'd give them?

to start a racon style event, what's one piece of advice you'd give them? Uh, ooh, that is a tricky one. Um, do it start small though. Don't, don't go from like, no experience to, to racon, like try and run a meetup first. Um, there's, there's lots of that stuff going on. I know that the Laravel, the company is trying to be more proactive and more involved in, in that side of things,

to be more proactive and more involved in, in that side of things, so definitely reach out to them. Um, but yeah, start a meetup first and, and, and try and go from there. Do not, do not do what I did and go straight to recon. Do not go all out. That's a lot. What is one tiny detail you obsess over that's most attendees probably never notice. Ah, two years ago I would've said like, my welcome talk,

that's most attendees probably never notice. Ah, two years ago I would've said like, my welcome talk, you know, just doing the, the setting, the, the pace for the conference. Mm-hmm. And there was like a bit in there that I don't wanna go into that like, I was very stoked by and no one noticed. So that, that's probably one thing. Um, we put a ton of effort into the branding and, and I say me, we, I mean Nucleus, the team behind it.

Um, we put a ton of effort into the branding and, and I say me, we, I mean Nucleus, the team behind it. Yep. And the, the, the detail, they go to the depths and, and the connectivity in all of that stuff is crazy. So, um, yeah, people wouldn't notice all of it, but there's a lot of detail in it. I no doubt there is. Last question for you. What is the first thing you do? Once Laracon is officially over and everyone has left the venue

Once Laracon is officially over and everyone has left the venue Sit. I just sit and I try and not think about it too much. 'cause you, it is a very deflating thing, you know, it's like it's done. People are happy, it's all over. Um, yeah. Just to see it. Fair enough. That's all the time we got. Thank you so much Michael.

Fair enough. That's all the time we got. Thank you so much Michael. Amazing. Thanks for having me. You nailed it, man. To everything. Answers to everything.